The Pokemon War Idea

[metalgearsamus]

tvboycanti:

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...your off your rocker kid....whatever that means...

[tvboycanti]

Ouch, pearls before swine I guess. Have fun with your story.

[pokefan13]

Apr 25, 2009 1:18:23 GMT -5 tvboycanti said:

Well,
1. There's never been guns in any of the main pokemon games, so you're game will be the first to feature them.

2. It would make sense if it were a LEGENDARY pokemon pulling the strings, since the legendaries have been shown to have motives and intellectual capability beyond normal pokemon (EG the emotion triplets), so it's not a contradiction.

What I was mainly trying to say is, if it's the pokemon that are fighting, what's the ideological motive for the *human* protagonist to get involved in this war between animals? Animals fight all the time in the real world, and we humans don't do anything more than make documenteries about it.

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Apr 24, 2009 4:27:19 GMT -5 tvboycanti said:

If this is a war between the pokemon, where do the humans come in? This storyline where the pokemon are running the show instead of the humans feels too much like a spin-off game.

Once again, you said that pokemon shouldn't call the shots. Now you say that it would be better for them to be in charge.

Fro your last, non-numbered, arguement, that's sort of the point. Animals and pokemon fight all the time. Only now, the fighting gets out of hand. If there was an entire war btw super-natural beings in our world that could change the fate of it, I think that humans would get involved.
In the pokemon world, humans would get involved as well. But not to the point where they choose sides and start killing eachother with guns and war knifes and nuclear missiles. They would try to stop the war anyway possible, which in this case will be, as always, sending a small boy to capture the supernatural of the supernatural creatures.

[pikminguy135]

Apr 24, 2009 8:07:25 GMT -5 pokefan13 said:

Pokemon don't have to be captured, you know. There are actually some wild pokemon in the pokemon universe.

Anyways, lets see the flaws in your idea.
1. Your saying the pokemon should be the the leaders still, even though you just said that pokemon calling the shots were odd. So, your not agreeing with your own arguement. How does that work out?
2. If pokemon and their trainers were soldiers, do you think trainers would quit when their pokemon faint? No, they would get a gun and blow your head off. So, in this story, you would be forced to take a side when your 16 or something, have to carry a gun with you and kill other humans, which brings guns and death into it, instead of beating people with super natural creatures inside little red and white containers. With humans involved a great deal, don't you think they would use weapons such as guns?

Sorry to barge in on your arguement
but

1: Your nit picking. You clearly knew he meant legendaries.

2: Pokemon is a game shooting (no pun intended) for a childrens audience. It would at least be rated M for that, parents wouldnt buy it and there goes the 5th gens budget =P

[shotomanexe]

WTF!? Guns? Thats a terrible idea in pokemon. An episode was banned due to that reason. You put guns in pokemon its no longer pokemon. Its just violence. Plus theres the fact that pokemon trainers start at the age of 10, so are you promoting shooting kids? And finally, the story ventures too far away from the traditional storylines, making it a spin-off. There should be a human cause for this war to happen, peferably one at the fault of the protagonist.

[tvboycanti]

Would it be appropriate to go on a gym quest if there was a war going on? You'd think the gym leaders would be drafted as generals or something (or be forced into hiding).

You guys need to iron out characters and setting, protagonist and antagonist before you come up with a story that is more than just a concept. I do like this concept, I think it can go in the same direction as AW:DoR, but it's going to be hard for people who haven't even finished high school literary courses to fully realize this concept on their own.

[pokefan13]

Apr 25, 2009 12:41:55 GMT -5 pikminguy135 said:

Apr 24, 2009 8:07:25 GMT -5 pokefan13 said:

Pokemon don't have to be captured, you know. There are actually some wild pokemon in the pokemon universe.

Anyways, lets see the flaws in your idea.
1. Your saying the pokemon should be the the leaders still, even though you just said that pokemon calling the shots were odd. So, your not agreeing with your own arguement. How does that work out?
2. If pokemon and their trainers were soldiers, do you think trainers would quit when their pokemon faint? No, they would get a gun and blow your head off. So, in this story, you would be forced to take a side when your 16 or something, have to carry a gun with you and kill other humans, which brings guns and death into it, instead of beating people with super natural creatures inside little red and white containers. With humans involved a great deal, don't you think they would use weapons such as guns?

Sorry to barge in on your arguement
but

1: Your nit picking. You clearly knew he meant legendaries.

2: Pokemon is a game shooting (no pun intended) for a childrens audience. It would at least be rated M for that, parents wouldnt buy it and there goes the 5th gens budget =P

1. I know he meant legendaries, but that's still pokemon calling the shots. His concept revolves around humans being leaders in the war, but being basically pawns of the legendaries.

2. Like I said before that post, I'm against guns. I said that if humans were involved a great deal, they would use guns. But, like I said before, pokemon is a world where they get some kid to save them all. Guns in pokemon would just be plain wrong.

[pokefan13]

Apr 25, 2009 13:32:35 GMT -5 shotomanexe said:

WTF!? Guns? Thats a terrible idea in pokemon. An episode was banned due to that reason. You put guns in pokemon its no longer pokemon. Its just violence. Plus theres the fact that pokemon trainers start at the age of 10, so are you promoting shooting kids? And finally, the story ventures too far away from the traditional storylines, making it a spin-off. There should be a human cause for this war to happen, peferably one at the fault of the protagonist.

If your talking to me, pokefan13, the guy with the pikachu, I am against guns, like I have said. My wording just gave a wrong intention.

Also, pokemon doesn't have to stay the same. It can change, just like breeding was put in at second generation along with two new types and gettign a phone. And there are other things too. But, like I have been trying to say, this is just a rough draft. Who knows, we might make humans start the war for some intentional/unintentional reason, but have the war mainly btw. pokemon.

[pokefan13]

Apr 26, 2009 6:06:23 GMT -5 tvboycanti said:

Would it be appropriate to go on a gym quest if there was a war going on? You'd think the gym leaders would be drafted as generals or something (or be forced into hiding).

You guys need to iron out characters and setting, protagonist and antagonist before you come up with a story that is more than just a concept. I do like this concept, I think it can go in the same direction as AW:DoR, but it's going to be hard for people who haven't even finished high school literary courses to fully realize this concept on their own.

For hopefully the last time, the war would be mainly btw. pokemon. Humans would ignore it at first and the get involved, but not to the point where they are choosing sides and are the turning point of the war. But, maybe a gym leader or two would have to postpone a match to try and stop the war with others, but fail in the end. Hence why you have to save everybody, as always.

For the second reason:
THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is to give us an idea on what we COULD DO!!!!!!!!!! This doesn't have to be the story. If there are some really good opposing stories that are not a play-off or are very similar to this, then they all have an equal chance at being the story.
Also, your saying that we need characters and a setting. Again, THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We aren't supposed to be totally working on this. We are focusing on the pokedex. I'm just focused about this right now because I'm MUCH better at this then making pokemon, and I'm trying to support my idea*. We can, and will, work around the idea that becomes the official story line idea, whether its this or another. What your saying is that we need characters and a setting before we know what we are doing. That like if the creators of D/P/Pt decided to make a leader of an evil orgainization before knowing what the story would be.

*Note: I'm just supporting my idea b/c I think its the best one so far. Who knows, I may hate my idea compared to another that comes up. If you think I'm just supporting this idea b/c its mine, you are wrong. I don't always support my idea. I am pretty sure all of my pokemon submissions have either:
1. a * next to something indicating open to suggestions
and/or
2. Someone else's idea. Momentum wasn't my idea for Wrectle and Wrectan, someone else thought of it. And that's a pokemon that was also submitted into the pokedex.

[metalgearsamus]

1. Guns =\= Pokemon
2. War between Pokemon = Very Vauge statment. "war" could mean alot of things.
3. This idea = (as pokefan said) rough draft/possibilities for a story.
4.Guns = big no no.
5. Sono molto dificile parlare esso lengua.
6.Gyms are essential to a Pokemon game.
7. No guns.
8.I HAVE AN IDEA!!! ;D

posted this earlyer but not as many people were here so:

"What if we start the story out with an evil team capturing/enslaving/ect. pokemon but before the plot develops around the taem, they are taken over by the (light pokemon if in light version, and dark pokemon if in dark version) who then uses the teams power to wage war aginst (dark if light and light if dark)!?

In the remake their could be an evil dark/aura legendary who takes over and fights against both the light and dark legendary pokemon."

9.There's your human interaction^
10. GUNS?? ARE YOU INSANE??

[pokefan13]

Like I said before, mgs: Its a great idea, except I don't think capturing/enslaving would be a good idea. Prehaps, it could have the whole "evil team trying to rule the world" thing, but they are defeated. Nobody knows how or who did it, but it causes a war* btw. light and dark pokemon.
You see, there are an evil aura based team and an evil dark based team, sorta like in Emerald. Depending on the version, one strikes first against the other. Seeing their fellow pokemon fight, other wild pokemon get involved. Soon, the pokemon take most control over this war* and eventually the legendaries bring down the teams' headquarters (you could go to the ruins later). The aura legendary could bring down the dark team's HQ, and vise versa with the dark legendary. This way, it seems like a normal pokemon game at first, but it takes a surprise turn mid-way through.

As for the remake, like I said before, it is AWESOME! Though I think the Aura/Dark legendary would have to be good, not evil.

EDIT: Guns are bad. MGS is right. I will kill you with a very good gun if you say guns are good. Wait... that doesn't make sense...

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[metalgearsamus]

Pokefan THAT^is a great idea.

P.S. what is a "gusn"?? XD

[pokefan13]

meant guns
*modifies post*

[ninplayer]

Just because there's a war doesn't mean people are getting killed left and right. E.g.: The Cold War.

[tvboycanti]

Pokefan, we all understand that this is an early draft/treatment for a story. That is why we are trying to HELP YOU. If this is just a rough draft, why are you so defensive of it and resistant to everyone's critiques/ideas?

Ninplayer: Millions of people died because of the Cold War through the proxy wars that were fought between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. Do you forget that the Vietnam war was a part of the Cold War?